• If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.


No announcement yet.

Federal Bump Stock Ban Is Coming - 90 Days to Turn Them in

  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Federal Bump Stock Ban Is Coming - 90 Days to Turn Them in

    This travesty sets a horrific precedent - it hands The Government/The Political Class their holy grail: The power to outlaw and confiscate any firearm it wants to at any time it wants to for any reason it wants to - or for no reason.

    This abomination pisses on the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, our inviolate right to arms and our right to due process. It pisses on liberty itself, the very foundation of what the Founders built this nation upon and at the end of the day - it pisses on every American soldier who has ever sacrificed, fought, killed, bled and died for our liberty. It pisses on every lawful American citizen.

    We could expect such a monstrosity of totalitarianism to be carried out under the Muslim Fuhrer's regime or under Hitlery Clinton's junta had she been successfully installed in the Oval Office. The fact that this is taking place on the watch of Donald Trump - who swore he would defend our right to arms - is simply incomprehensible. It speaks volumes about Trump's character and about the character of our supposed Christian vice president, Mike Pence.

    We elected Trump and Pence to STOP this type of fascism, not to enable it by looking the other way. Once again, we have been had.

    The handwriting is on the wall: It is only a matter of time till The Government/The Political Class issues the exact same edict with regard to semiautomatic rifles, shotguns and pistols. As someone once said,
    "One day the talking will come to an end and the American people will decide whether to live as slaves or as free men." We are dangerously close to that day.


    BREAKING: Federal Bump Stock Ban Is Coming Soon, Real Soon! 90 Days to Turn ‘Em In!

    by S.H. Blannelberry on November 28, 2018

    The government is banning bump stocks. There is no grandfather clause. This is confiscation, folks. This is infringement. (Photo: SlideFire).

    The federal ban on bump stocks is coming soon. Real soon. “In the coming days,” according to a CNN Exclusive.

    What this means is owners of reciprocating devices will have 90 days to destroy them, render them permanently inoperable or turn ’em over to authorities. Or else?

    Or else risk being charged with unlawful possession of a machine gun which is a crime punishable by up to 10 years in prison, according to the DOJ.

    “Bump stocks turn semiautomatic guns into illegal machine guns. This final rule sends a clear message: Illegal guns have no place in a law-and-order society, and we will continue to vigorously enforce the law to keep these illegal weapons off the street,” a senior Justice Department official told CNN Wednesday.

    There is no grandfather clause. There is no registering bump stocks under the NFA. Worse yet, owners of bump stocks will receive no compensation for complying with the law.

    Aren’t ex post facto laws unconstitutional (under Article 1, Section 9, Clause 3)? Isn’t Big Brother expressly forbidden to seize property without compensation under the Fifth Amendment? I'’ll let you answer those questions in the comment section.

    The truth is I’m tired of talking about this whole bump-stock fiasco. About how theNRA caved following Vegas; about how Trump was supposed to use the bully pulpit to push national reciprocity and the Hearing Protection Act but instead he focused on banning what amounts to a range toy via executive fiat; about how the ATF had said in no uncertain terms on two separate occasions that bump stocks were firearm parts, not machine guns; about how if this was Obama everyone in the gun community would be shouting from the rooftops, “From my cold dead hands,” but since it’s Trump no one seems to care; about how the ATF is being weaponized to act as a legislative body as opposed to a regulatory agency (only Congress can pass laws prohibiting weapons); about how this sets a horrible precedent with respect to executive power and the ATF; about how you best believe Big Brother is going to pull the same stunt one day as it pertains to those other widely popular firearms and accessories that [supposedly] circumvent the spirit of the NFA (I’'m not going to explicate what they are but we all know what I’m talking about); and on and on and on.

    I will, however, note that the timing of this is interesting. In the wake of the midterms. Not before them.

    To those who own bump stocks, all I can say is good luck and godspeed. Given the apathy of the gun community on this issue, it looks like you’re on your own. Resistance is futile. And noncompliance could cost you your 2A rights permanently [and ten years of your life].
    Regarding the above, this from Tench Coxe:
    "As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms." (Tench Coxe in ‘Remarks on the First Part of the Amendments to the Federal Constitution' under the Pseudonym ‘A Pennsylvanian' in the Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789 at 2 col. 1)

    "Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man gainst his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and EVERY other terrible implement of the soldier, are the BIRTHRIGHT of an American....[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people." (Tench Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.)
    And then there's this:

    Unconstitutional Official Acts

    16 Am Jur 2d, Sec 177 late 2d, Sec 256:

    The general misconception is that any statute passed by legislators bearing the appearance of law constitutes the law of the land. The U.S.
    Constitution is the supreme law of the land, and any statute, to be valid, must be In agreement. It is impossible for both the Constitution and a law violating it to be valid; one must prevail. This is succinctly stated as follows:

    The General rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having the form and name of law
    is in reality no law, but is wholly void, and ineffective for any purpose; since unconstitutionality dates from the time of it's enactment and not merely from the date of the decision so branding it. An unconstitutional law, in legal contemplation, is as inoperative as if it had never been passed. Such a statute leaves the question that it purports to settle just as it would be had the statute not been enacted.

    Since an unconstitutional law is void, the general principles follow that it imposes no duties, confers no rights, creates no office, bestows no power or authority on anyone, affords no protection, and justifies no acts performed under it...

    A void act cannot be legally consistent with a valid one. An unconstitutional law cannot operate to supersede any existing valid law. Indeed, insofar as a statute runs counter to the fundamental law of the lend, it is superseded thereby.

    No one Is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it.

    Jon Roland:
    Strictly speaking, an unconstitutional statute is not a "law", and should not be called a "law", even if it is sustained by a court, for a finding that a statute or other official act is constitutional does not make it so, or confer any authority to anyone to enforce it.

    All citizens and legal residents of the United States, by their presence on the territory of the United States, are subject to the militia duty, the duty of the social compact that creates the society, which requires that each, alone and in concert with others, not only obey the Constitution and constitutional official acts, but help enforce them, if necessary, at the risk of one's life.

    Any unconstitutional act of an official will at least be a violation of the oath of that official to execute the duties of his office, and therefore grounds for his removal from office. No official immunity or privileges of rank or position survive the commission of unlawful acts. If it violates the rights of individuals, it is also likely to be a crime, and the militia duty obligates anyone aware of such a violation to investigate it, gather evidence for a prosecution, make an arrest, and if necessary, seek an indictment from a grand jury, and if one is obtained, prosecute the offender in a court of law.
    Link to the above: http://www.constitution.org/uslaw/16amjur2nd.htm
    Last edited by progunner1957; 11-30-2018, 01:05 PM.
    "There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights." - Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler, USMC

    "The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed." - Thomas Jefferson