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Trump Opens Door For Gun Confiscation In America

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    After reading the following article, I can only conclude that both Trump and Pence do not care about the Constitution and Bill of Rights they both swore an oath to preserve, protect and defend. Neither do these two treasonous sellouts care about the rights of lawful Americans, our right to due process or our right to arms and our right to defend self, family and home.

    The bottom line is the bottom line and it is this: Trump and Pence have both cast their lot with the enemies of liberty and have flagrantly stabbed the American people in the back. They swore to America's gun owners that they would stand and fight to defend our right to arms. Rather than standing and fighting, these two sellouts chose to get on their knees and do what treasonous politicians do best.

    These scumbags do not get a "pass" for this any more than Hitlery Clinton or Bernie Sanders would. MOLON LABE.

    Link: https://chuckbaldwinlive.com/Article...n-America.aspx

    Trump Opens Door For Gun Confiscation In America
    Published: Thursday, March 8, 2018
    Sagacious gun owners have always known that the ultimate goal of gun control extremists such as Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, Dianne Feinstein, et al., has always been gun confiscation. The plan is not to “control” the private ownership of firearms; it is to PROHIBIT the private ownership of firearms. Enacting ever-encroaching gun control laws is simply an incremental means to the ultimate end of gun confiscation and prohibition.

    Donald Trump was elected on the promise of protecting the Second Amendment (among other things). Instead, he has become the poster boy for one of the most egregious gun control machinations of all: gun confiscation.

    As I reported in this column last week, in a bipartisan meeting with congressmen and senators recently, President Trump "voiced support for confiscating guns from certain individuals deemed to be dangerous, even if it violates due process rights."

    “‘I like taking the guns early, like in this crazy man’s case that just took place in Florida ... to go to court would have taken a long time,’ Trump said at a meeting with lawmakers on school safety and gun violence.

    “‘Take the guns first, go through due process second,’ Trump said.

    “Trump was responding to comments from Vice President Pence that families and local law enforcement should have more tools to report potentially dangerous individuals with weapons."

    “Allow due process so no one’s rights are trampled, but the ability to go to court, obtain an order and then collect not only the firearms but any weapons," Pence said.

    "‘Or, Mike, take the firearms first, and then go to court,’ Trump responded.”

    See the column here:

    Florida School Massacre Proves Police Are Worthless In Protecting Us

    Well, Trump’s statements are now the rallying cry for gun grabbers all over America to enact gun confiscation laws.

    So far, five states have passed "red flag" laws that allow police agencies to confiscate guns from someone deemed to be "dangerous" by either a law enforcement officer or a family member BEFORE the individual has committed any crime, and in one State (Rhode Island) the governor issued an executive order implementing a “red flag” law.

    Here are the six states where the legislatures have already passed—or the governor has already issued an executive order implementing—“red flag" laws:

    Rhode Island

    And since Trump’s Stalinist statements, there are at least 24 additional states that are currently considering passing "red flag" laws. These are:
    New Jersey
    New York
    North Carolina

    Doubtless, many other states are also considering passing "red flag" laws.

    And it’s not taking long for law enforcement agencies in the above states to begin their Naziesque assault on gun owners. This report is from Seattle:

    “The city’s police department became the first law enforcement agency in the state to force the surrender of a firearm under a new law known as anextreme risk protection order.

    “The incident involves a man who lives in Belltown, who neighbors said had been intimidating people for the past year - even staring-down customers through store-front windows with a gun holstered at his side.

    “Mental illness is suspected, but that new law allowed police to legally disarm him.”

    “The man, who we are not naming, is also well known to the bars and restaurants below his unit along Second Ave. The volume of complaints convinced Seattle police to seek an extreme risk protection order - or ‘erpo’ – which allows law enforcement to legally remove guns from people deemed a danger to themselves or others.

    “In this case, the man refused to comply. Because of the new law, police were then able to return with a warrant and force the man to surrender the firearm.”

    “A few dozen erpos have been served and executed around the state, but Seattle police said they are the only agency so far to seize a gun because the owner refused to hand it over.

    “Law enforcement professionals said these specialized protection orders could be a common sense strategy to try and prevent mass shootings - such as what happened in Parkland, Florida.

    “‘There's certainly a big concern of the connection between mental health and people exhibiting violent behavior and whether or not they should have access to firearms. The “erpos” give us that tool now as an option,’ said Sgt. Eric Pisconski, who leads the crisis response unit for the Seattle Police Department.

    “The confiscations 'only' last a year, although they can be renewed.”

    See the report here:

    Seattle Police First In State To Seize Gun Under Mental Health Law

    A few observations are in order here:

    First, the open carry of a firearm is LEGAL in the area where this took place. So, the fellow was violating NO gun laws whatsoever. Plus, he never removed the pistol from its holster or brandished it in any way.

    Secondly, the man was “known” to nearby bars and restaurants near his place of residence. That means nothing. Known for what? The report doesn’t even say the man was known for acting weirdly or strangely. It just says he was “known.” And even if he did act weirdly or strangely, if we denied constitutional rights to everyone in that category, a majority of Americans would have no rights, and ALL of Congress would have no rights.

    Thirdly, what does “volume of complaints” mean? How many complaints were received over a YEAR’S time? Two? Five? Ten? People complaining about other people happens all of the time. Plus, if complaints had been received over the course of an entire year and police just now decided to act, the man must not have been considered much of a threat.

    Fourthly, there was NO report of the man “exhibiting violent behavior,” as the police sergeant claims. The report says “he had been intimidating people.” How? No specifics except to say he was “staring” at people. Wow! Run for your lives!

    Fifthly, a U.S. citizen who has committed NO CRIME is denied his Natural right of self-defense for a whole year. And the media report says the confiscations “only” last a year, with the caveat that they may be extended. Indeed. They could and very likely will be extended indefinitely.

    How many defenseless (unarmed) people are robbed, assaulted, accosted, beaten up, raped, wounded, paralyzed, or killed in a year’s time? It seems many politicians (and many police officers themselves) will not be content until every American citizen is totally defenseless and unable to protect him or herself.

    I tell you this with all seriousness: At some point, the American people will be forced to view these governmental attacks against our Second Amendment liberties as a declaration of war.

    Sixthly, the man quoted in the news story who had complained about the armed fellow did so because he said he didn’t like the sight of the man carrying a firearm, as it made him “afraid.”

    SO WHAT?

    That the mere sight of a law-abiding citizen openly carrying a sidearm would make someone “afraid” is not sufficient reason to deny the citizen his constitutional right to keep and “bear” arms. This “I’m offended” or “his gun scares me” complaint is nothing but cover for little Nazis to try and deny another person their Natural, God-given liberty.

    But under this new “red flag” law in Washington State, police are now able to confiscate a person’s firearm without the person committing ANY crime—or even threatening to commit a crime. Even when police forced the man to surrender his firearm, the man made no threatening gesture toward the officers.

    Gun confiscation has started in America—and President Trump’s Stalinist statements about taking guns first and worrying about due process later is the banner under which this is happening.

    When Trump promised to add “mental health” regulations to gun purchases and ownership, he opened Pandora’s Box.

    I go into the “mental health” trap in more detail in this column:

    Trump Set To Enact More Gun Control

    “Mental health” regulations for gun ownership is what extremist gun grabbers Schumer, Pelosi, Feinstein, et al., have been trying to accomplish for decades. Now, it is the “pro-gun” Republican President Donald Trump who is the one making it happen.

    Kris Kobach is the Secretary of State of Kansas. He is a former professor of constitutional law at UMKC Law School. He wrote an excellent analysis of the constitutional violations of these “red flag” laws:

    1: The seizure of guns without any hearing at all. The laws all contain an “ex parte” provision that allows the state to temporarily seize a person’s guns without even notifying the gun owner or giving him a chance to be heard. This is the quintessential denial of due process. The Fourth Amendment makes clear that a person cannot be denied of liberty (to exercise one’s constitutional right to bear arms) without due process of law. This confiscation is “temporary,” but it can easily lead to long-term or permanent confiscation.

    2: Based on the testimony of one unrelated person. The confiscation order can be based on the testimony of only one person claiming that the gun owner poses a risk to the safety of himself or others. The law deceptively says that it has to be the testimony of a “family member.” [Most of the “red flag” laws, such as the one in Washington State, do not limit who can claim the gun owner poses a risk to the safety of himself or others to family members.] But “family member” is defined to include “former dating partners” and anyone who has ever lived with the defendant. So a jilted former boyfriend or girlfriend, or even a roommate from years ago, could easily set in motion the disarming of a lawful gun owner.

    3: Using a very low standard of proof. The standard for obtaining an ex parte order against a gun owner is absurdly low – one need only show “reasonable cause” to believe that the person may pose a risk. That’s even lower than the “probable cause” standard for obtaining a search warrant. In addition, the judge is forced to rush his decision and issue the confiscation order on the same day of the ex parte hearing. Within two weeks of the ex parte hearing, a hearing with the gun owner present must occur; the purpose is to put in place a long-term confiscation order. But even at that hearing, the standard of proof is far below the “beyond a reasonable doubt” standard used in criminal trials. Rather, it need only be shown by “a preponderance of evidence” that the person poses a risk of injury to self or others. What kind of evidence? Things like the “reckless storage” of firearms and drinking habits can be considered. If you keep a handgun in the bedside table and drink beer regularly, you may [be] in trouble.

    4: Shifting the burden of proof to the gun owner. The long-term confiscation order lasts up to a year, but may be renewed indefinitely. Once it is in place, it becomes very difficult to remove. To have the confiscation order lifted, the gun owner must prove he does not pose a threat to himself or others. Proving a negative is nearly impossible. Adding insult to injury, the bill even authorizes local law enforcement to charge the gun owner a storage fee for confiscating and storing his guns.

    After the Parkland school shooting, had Donald Trump simply used his bully pulpit to promote arming teachers and school employees as a deterrent and defense against these school shootings without calling for more gun control, it would have been a HUGE boost for the Second Amendment in general and school safety in particular.

    Instead, Trump fell in with anti-Second Amendment liberals and started calling for more gun control, adding “mental health” restrictions to gun purchases and making his stupid Stalinist statements about taking guns first and worrying about due process later.

    As a result, anti-gun liberals all over the country are using Trump’s own words and proposed gun control policies as a rallying cry to enact gun confiscation laws.

    As it stands right now, Donald Trump has opened the door for more damage being done to the Second Amendment than any other president, Democrat or Republican, in our lifetime.

    Freedomists in the 50 states had better keep a close eye on their State legislatures this year and next, because, thanks to Donald Trump, gun confiscation is going to be on the agenda in virtually every single State in the country. And while you are at it, don’t overlook the federal Congress.

    No wonder Dianne Feinstein looked so deliriously (and devilishly) happy when Trump uttered his stupid comment about gun confiscation and said he wanted to bring an assault weapons ban (Feinstein’s bill) into proposed gun control legislation.

    See the video here:

    Watch Dianne Feinstein Erupt With Glee After Trump Seems To Endorse Her Assault Weapons Ban

    But if you are a freedom-loving American who values your liberties and the God-given right to defend them, happy is NOT what you should be feeling right now. You should be OUTRAGED at Donald Trump, and you should be absolutely determined to be ever vigilant against ANY attempt from Democrats or Republicans from federal, State, or municipal government to enact further restrictions against your right to keep and bear arms—because Trump has opened the door not only for more gun control but also for gun confiscation.

    P.S. One more time I want to remind readers that
    self-defense—including defense against tyrannical government—is more than a right guaranteed in the Second Amendment to our Constitution; it is a duty assigned us in Nature by our Creator. For anyone, especially a Christian, to willingly surrender their means of self-defense is not only a crime against liberty; it is a sin against God.

    I urge my Christian friends (and anyone else) to read the book my constitutional attorney son and I wrote entitled “To Keep or Not To Keep: Why Christians Should Not Give Up Their Guns.”

    Mark it down: Any law demanding the citizenry to surrender their AR-15 rifles would be unconstitutional, unnatural, and unbiblical. And NO Christian or other free man should ever comply with such a law.

    I know that there is a plethora of pastors who teach that Christians ought to obey the government should it outlaw our guns. THEY ARE WRONG. They are wrong biblically, constitutionally, and morally.

    Our book shows the Natural and Biblical duty of self-defense. I don’t know of another book like it.

    With all that is happening today, it is CRUCIAL that people (especially Christians) become familiar with the truths contained in this book. I urge you to order one for yourself and one (at least) for your friends and kinfolk.

    To order “To Keep or Not To Keep: Why Christians Should Not Give Up Their Guns,” go here:

    To Keep Or Not To Keep: Why Christians Should Not Give Up Their Guns

    © Chuck Baldwin
    "There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights." - Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler, USMC

    "The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed." - Thomas Jefferson

  • #2
    so just like the old soviet system who gets to decide who is crazy? I also see a large problem with angry wives and girlfriends and retarded family members and angry neighbors using this law to fulfill their evil ends to a mean. just like the domestic violence laws, all your wife has to do is pick up the phone and say he hit me.....they show up no evidence nothing just her word and your gone...........or the magical court restraining order that gives you 5 mins to pack a few things and leave your home. this is a disaster......


    • #3
      The march toward police state Amerika continues unabated - even with a supposedly pro-gun rights President in the Oval Office. Trump may be toying with the antigun bigots or he may do an about face at the last minute; after all, he does come across as unpredictable at times. If either of these come to pass, I will gladly eat a big, fat crow sammich. But I'm not counting on it.

      If this liberty killing bull feces does not sotop, in a couple of years all a pissed off spouse, girlfriend or neighbor will have to do to get a guy SWATTED is call 911 and say "He yelled at me and scared me - and I know he has guns!!"

      Hell, we're almost there now.

      What's next? Local Police departments keeping M1 tanks and helicopter gunships on ready alert to "deal with" gun owners??
      "There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights." - Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler, USMC

      "The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed." - Thomas Jefferson